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Post by timetraveler22 on Dec 7, 2015 22:16:44 GMT
So, look at birds. From basic observations, I notice there are primarily three kinds of terrestrial birds:
Perching Birds
Heavier Birds
Flightless Birds
Perching birds(properly known as passerines) are basically your average songbird: a jay, warbler, chickadee, cardinal ect. These birds are small, with little mass and large, efficient wings per body size usually stay in the trees and use flight as their main way to get around.
Heavier Birds are birds that have the ability of flight, but aren't good at it because they're too heavy: Ibis, Egrets, Turkey, Quail, Chicken, Rails, most shore birds ect. have smaller wings and have more mass.
Flightless birds(ratites being the most well known) are birds that've lost the entire ability to fly and have now used walking or running to get to where they need: Ostrich, rheas, Kakapos, Moas, ect.
What I'm trying to say is if we want wings, we have to size them accordingly to a certain mass if we want to fly. Not by slapping a pair of wings, then scaling them to Watto's(who was the flying merchant in Star Wars 1) and expecting them to be able to fly across the continent. If we could could be able to earn the wing's size to get reasonable lift over time, would make the game a lot more realistic. As well as npc's ai. If they can possibly travel more efficiently through the trees, then so be it. If the can't, well I hope they can run.
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Post by The_Wayward_Admiral on Dec 7, 2015 22:22:12 GMT
thrivegame.wikidot.com/organism-editor#toc20The current plan does indeed call for surface area to be sufficient for flight before allowing it. As far as the plan for attaining the right to fly, I have absolutely zero idea what that plan is. Sorry :/
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Post by Aquos on Dec 8, 2015 12:19:43 GMT
but in wich category do bird like eagle's and vulture's fall in
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Post by bobzemovie on Dec 9, 2015 8:13:47 GMT
but in wich category do bird like eagle's and vulture's fall in I'd say 'perching' as their great flying ability out-does their weight. Also, their size/weight doesn't affect them as much as it does Chickens.
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Post by Aquos on Dec 9, 2015 12:07:02 GMT
i think big birds with good flying abyletes should get their own category but perching does sound logical
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Post by tjwhale on Dec 9, 2015 21:23:35 GMT
If we could could be able to earn the wing's size to get reasonable lift over time, would make the game a lot more realistic. Yeah I think this is a great idea. It's very similar to the problem of how to do aquatic locomotion (air and water work in much the same way) so once we have something good for that this shouldn't be too hard. Personally I am very much looking forward to playing as a bird and just flying around. That is a thing I've never really done in a game and I think it could have awesome gameplay (wheeling in the sky for a bit, seeing some prey, diving down, catching it, sitting in a tree and eating it and then flying off again, I could do that for hours).
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Post by Moopli on Dec 10, 2015 6:15:01 GMT
I don't think there's any point to this perching/flightless/other category, really. The important part is the flight calculations, to figure out (for a start) glide ratios, net wingbeat forces, and so on. Complicated stuff, but much of it reduces to simple mathematical approximations, at least.
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Post by timetraveler22 on Dec 10, 2015 14:33:48 GMT
I don't think there's any point to this perching/flightless/other category, really. The important part is the flight calculations, to figure out (for a start) glide ratios, net wingbeat forces, and so on. Complicated stuff, but much of it reduces to simple mathematical approximations, at least. The reason I mean't this is that the ability to fly should be gradual. From flightless to attempting to fly to be able to ride thermals(like vultures and albatrosses). Another thing I mentioned perching because most games don't have the "ambient" organisms that will fly at will in the trees. If an NPC has wings and has a better advantage at flight than to walk then it should fly. I always found it strange about the lack of birds flying from limb to limb.
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