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Post by vailnoff on May 18, 2017 21:09:50 GMT
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Post by crodnu on May 18, 2017 21:40:36 GMT
Errmmm...
The file?
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Post by vailnoff on May 19, 2017 5:27:55 GMT
Sorry, I've put it in now
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Post by hirohito on May 19, 2017 11:45:52 GMT
We could have some hyperlanes going on.
I'm done with the stellaris references
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Post by tjwhale on May 19, 2017 13:43:56 GMT
That's interesting. Moopli put me on to an interesting problem with all this. The star trek idea of humans spreading out and colonising planets doesn't really work that well. The rate of technological change is so much greater than the rate at which you can populate a planet that it's hard to imagine a space empire. For example you send out a colony ship to the nearest reasonably habitable planet. Even if it arrives instantly then it needs to start building the colony. To get a planet wide colony which is capable of building more starships and putting people on them would take a huge amount of time. If each woman has 4 daughters who each have 4 daughters etc it takes >200 years to reach a population of 1 million. Meanwhile on the home planet 200 years will utterly transform the place beyond recognition. So we'll have to think carefully about the late space stage. Do we want realism where the rate of tech is super massive vs the rate at which you can expand? Do we go down a route where you need to populate planets with self replicating robots (which could cover a planet in a few years)? Do we artificially slow down technology to make a Stellaris / Star Trek style 4X system work? Another option is to have very high technology be very dangerous. So any sufficiently advanced planet basically dies very fast. That way you have to keep sending out colony ships and spreading through the galaxy. All quite interesting, here is the original link he sent me (warning it's pretty long). |
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Post by Aquos on May 19, 2017 16:03:30 GMT
That's interesting. Moopli put me on to an interesting problem with all this. The star trek idea of humans spreading out and colonising planets doesn't really work that well. The rate of technological change is so much greater than the rate at which you can populate a planet that it's hard to imagine a space empire. For example you send out a colony ship to the nearest reasonably habitable planet. Even if it arrives instantly then it needs to start building the colony. To get a planet wide colony which is capable of building more starships and putting people on them would take a huge amount of time. If each woman has 4 daughters who each have 4 daughters etc it takes >200 years to reach a population of 1 million. Meanwhile on the home planet 200 years will utterly transform the place beyond recognition. So we'll have to think carefully about the late space stage. Do we want realism where the rate of tech is super massive vs the rate at which you can expand? Do we go down a route where you need to populate planets with self replicating robots (which could cover a planet in a few years)? Do we artificially slow down technology to make a Stellaris / Star Trek style 4X system work? Another option is to have very high technology be very dangerous. So any sufficiently advanced planet basically dies very fast. That way you have to keep sending out colony ships and spreading through the galaxy. All quite interesting, here is the original link he sent me (warning it's pretty long). Wouldn't a societ capable of FTL also be capable of mass cloning? Maybe they just decide to clone thousands and thousands of citizens every minute. I don't know if that makes sense, just throwing out an idea. |
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Post by tjwhale on May 23, 2017 17:08:21 GMT
Wouldn't a societ capable of FTL also be capable of mass cloning? Maybe they just decide to clone thousands and thousands of citizens every minute. I don't know if that makes sense, just throwing out an idea. Yeah that's an interesting idea. I guess you would have to set up a cloning facility with enough capacity. Then there is the issue of raising the children, will it be lord of the flies until they are adults? Maybe I guess you could create a huge army of nanny robots. Interesting idea. |
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Post by hirohito on May 23, 2017 17:14:17 GMT
What if frozen embryos are sent in a ship and when the ship reaches destination they are raised AI?
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Post by tjwhale on May 23, 2017 19:17:58 GMT
What if frozen embryos are sent in a ship and when the ship reaches destination they are raised AI? What kind of culture do you think they would develop? It would be a weird planet with 100,000 18 year olds and no other adults. |
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Post by crodnu on May 23, 2017 20:26:03 GMT
You could also populate a planet with inmigrants, like it happened in the new world (if the travel times/costs are not too outrageous at least).
Also remember that some species (especially genetically modified ones) could potentially breed faster and live longer than humans.
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Post by Mouthwash on May 24, 2017 10:04:56 GMT
How do you know that technology will always advance at a similar pace? Maybe science will start having diminishing returns a hundred years from now. Maybe it becomes possible to build anti-matter devices with cheap materials, so that any population that reaches a certain degree of technology is suddenly reduced to the stone age. Maybe our current scientific advancement is the result of contingent cultural circumstances (I can imagine primitives flying around in spaceships with highly-specialized castes dedicated to operating them).
There is no law of history that precludes these scenarios.
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Post by Mouthwash on May 24, 2017 10:15:30 GMT
Also, in gameplay terms, it's probably better to stick to one type of FTL travel. Stellaris's game director is on record saying it was a mistake to have three. |
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