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Post by crodnu on May 9, 2017 17:06:23 GMT
First of all i got absolutely no idea if this thread should go here, in multicellular stage, in aware stage, or in science!, so feel free to move it fellow tyrant moderator. Anyway, this is based on a discussion i had with some other users on the discord server (most notably Atrox) about the general anatomy of thermoynthetizer organisms, after evolving into a large macroscopic species. Would they be plants, animals, something in between? Where would they live? How would they look? How would they perform their thermosythesis? Some ideas that were thrown out were a tree with black leaves that cool get warm in the sun themselfves in a pool of water in order to get energy and a large plant (possibly undergrownd or underwater) that spans between a hot spot and a cold one, and uses some sort of blood stream to move thermosynthetizer cells to produce energy. What do you think?  |
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Post by The_Wayward_Admiral on May 9, 2017 21:01:44 GMT
I have two general ideas that might work for a thermosynthesizer.
In a situation where heat is intense but time-dependent (such as a desert), surface area needs to be changeable. During heating, surface area to volume would need to increase, followed by a decrease in this ratio when cooling sets in. I could see this happening by the following mechanism:
1) During the cold, the thermosynthetic (presumably sessile) organism is roughly spherical, preventing its internal heat from rapidly dissipating.
2) Heating causes rapid deflation, forming a central "cup", with very thin body segments, maximizing cellular exposure to warm fluid.
3) As the intensity of the heat source begins to decline, the cup slowly shallows, as the innards fill with warm fluid from the environment.
4) By the time the cold returns, the organism is once again spherical.
In a constant heat situation (such as a hydrothermal vent), surface area needs to be maximized, and one possible body plan could follow these line items:
1) A chemical or physical anchor, that can react to hormonal or tactile cues to stay near a heat source.
2) Feather-like appendages, very similar to tube worms, to maximize contact with warm fluid.
3) Semi-hollow support structures (similar to bird bones) that keep heat capacity of the organism similar to that of its fluid.
Let me know if I'm unclear, and if I've made any incorrect assumptions or made a design error.
edit: Pardon my dust while I rework this post to reflect new information.
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Post by crodnu on May 9, 2017 21:18:24 GMT
As far as i understood, thermosynthesis works with temperature change (moving through a temperature gradient), not just absorbing heat. I might have understood incorrectly tho xD
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Post by The_Wayward_Admiral on May 9, 2017 21:25:23 GMT
 crodnu you interpreted my post correctly. I had an incorrect understanding of thermosynthesis. I shall return to the drawing board with this new information in hand.
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Post by cookieingotbr on Oct 8, 2017 23:50:38 GMT
could have plants that absorb heat in hot seasons and store energy for cold seasons.
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Post by cookieingotbr on Oct 8, 2017 23:54:48 GMT
and that these plants had thermal protections to prevent the overload of the thermoplasts (because of the heat)
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Post by cookieingotbr on Oct 9, 2017 0:04:57 GMT
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Post by blackink on Oct 9, 2017 4:07:35 GMT
could have plants that absorb heat in hot seasons and store energy for cold seasons. First of all careful with multi posting, second, plants do that already just not in the way you think, during high sunlight seasons plants not just grow, but also store carbohydrates (aka storing energy), and during cold seasons they enter in a hibernation state where they slowly burn this reserves (which also releases little amounts of heat but is just a byproduct of the carbohydrates being burned). Heat as in climate is not (as far as my knowledge goes) used as energy source because it is free energy (highly entropic) and because it would be too inefficient to use. |
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Post by BiologicalSomething on Oct 9, 2017 15:05:48 GMT
I have two general ideas that might work for a thermosynthesizer.
In a situation where heat is intense but time-dependent (such as a desert), surface area needs to be changeable. During heating, surface area to volume would need to increase, followed by a decrease in this ratio when cooling sets in. I could see this happening by the following mechanism:
1) During the cold, the thermosynthetic (presumably sessile) organism is roughly spherical, preventing its internal heat from rapidly dissipating.
2) Heating causes rapid deflation, forming a central "cup", with very thin body segments, maximizing cellular exposure to warm fluid.
3) As the intensity of the heat source begins to decline, the cup slowly shallows, as the innards fill with warm fluid from the environment.
4) By the time the cold returns, the organism is once again spherical.
In a constant heat situation (such as a hydrothermal vent), surface area needs to be maximized, and one possible body plan could follow these line items:
1) A chemical or physical anchor, that can react to hormonal or tactile cues to stay near a heat source.
2) Feather-like appendages, very similar to tube worms, to maximize contact with warm fluid.
3) Semi-hollow support structures (similar to bird bones) that keep heat capacity of the organism similar to that of its fluid.
Let me know if I'm unclear, and if I've made any incorrect assumptions or made a design error.edit: Pardon my dust while I rework this post to reflect new information. Bit old, but when's this being unlined and changed? |
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Post by cookieingotbr on Oct 9, 2017 15:19:23 GMT
but thermoplasts are not lawk |
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Post by cookieingotbr on Oct 9, 2017 16:15:34 GMT
I think the first idea is better because it would work for multicellular organisms with the cells in this model
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Post by BiologicalSomething on Oct 9, 2017 16:40:43 GMT
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Wait, do they have that one mobile?
Is the edit button present on mobile?
Anyone who has posted things on mobile want to confirm/disconfirm?
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Post by Aquos on Oct 9, 2017 16:52:20 GMT
I think the first idea is better because it would work for multicellular organisms with the cells in this model Please avoid double posting. It is against the rules, and you have been told mutliple times to stop it. Thank you very much in advance. |
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Post by lordclassyus on Oct 9, 2017 17:20:02 GMT
p a l l o f r e n d o e d I t b u t t o n Wait, do they have that one mobile? Is the edit button present on mobile? Anyone who has posted things on mobile want to confirm/disconfirm? I can confirm that on mobile there is a edit button. I have used it a couple of times. |
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