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Post by rocket54321 on Apr 30, 2016 16:50:02 GMT
Ok... First thread on any forum ever in my life. Lets do this.  Hi! I'm rocket54321  'Kay, first: TriveisthegameI'vewantedforareallyreallyreallylongtimesokeepupthegoodworkguys!!! but seriously... There's a big flaw I found in the way this game is being developed. The devs are polishing and perfecting each stage before they move on. Now, while there may be many benefits of that, I feel like if things keep going like this eventualy people are going to lose interest in project if most of the updates are just small(ish) patches. What the devs probably should do (and in writing this I mean no offense or negative vibes or anything which in order to dispel is why I wrote this ridiculose tangent) is just hammer out each stage as fast as possible. It doesn't need to be pretty. It doesn't need to be good. It doesn't even need to be that fun, it just needs to work. Because what this project needs is a usable code base which can be built on to later. Plus, this would push out a lot of content for fans (like me) to enjoy. Then the devs can polish and improve and do other devy things to make thrive epic. Maybe this is over optimistic, maybe this is impossible. Maybe... Wots that?! *pulls out lightsaber* *stops trying/failing to make funny/dramatic star wars reference and finishes post* |
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Post by Aquos on Apr 30, 2016 16:59:06 GMT
i'm no game expert (nor will i ever be one) but this doesn't seem very fiable to me while i do agree that they shouldn't make the Microbe stage completely perfect before moving on to Mullticeluar in my eye's the Microbe stage does need to be playable and have atleast some of the key features other wise i'm affraid that a whole lot of people will lose fait in the game developing skills of the devs but that just what i think also welcome to the forums |
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Post by tjwhale on Apr 30, 2016 17:27:30 GMT
Hey. Welcome to the forum!
If you want development to go faster or in a different direction the thing to do is to learn to program and come and help make it. We are always looking for more programmers to help out! Also programming is a really cool skill which will be of great value to you in your life. However if you don't want to do that then I'm afraid you just have to wait like everyone else.
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Post by Atrox on Apr 30, 2016 17:49:49 GMT
Hey welcome to the forum!
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Post by Oliveriver on Apr 30, 2016 22:15:34 GMT
It's unrealistic to consider that approach at this stage, when we only have an infrequently updated proof of concept.
Once development becomes self-sufficient, then it might be something to think about. A lot of the mechanics from one stage will heavily impact the next though, so there would have to be at least something solid to work from.
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Post by rocket54321 on May 3, 2016 15:48:01 GMT
Firstly: thanks for the positive feedback, it really means a lot to me Probably part of my origonal post is the fact that I'm so impatient & exited for thrive to be finished! as for learning to code/contributing, I'm learning Java but I would be more than willing to learn C to join the team, but my abilities to do much other than troubleshoot would be limited. I've also dabbled in blender, but can't do much with it. I'm also interested in rocket science/space stage mechanics, so maybe I could work on the GDD or make fan art. Anyway, I'd love to join the team & do something to help, so tell me if there's anything that a >=13 yr old space nerd/game enthusiast could do  . But as for my origonal idea being impractical, what if the "stages" were more like seamless(ish) changes in GUI content/creature abilities, with the biggest changes being when your creature becomes sentient? In other words, your microbe starts growing into a mukticelular organism that adapts to life on land and slowly becomes sentient. Then you would begin to take control of a group of creatures which would begin to build a tribe which would expand into a civilization whose tech would slowly become more advanced and would begin industrialize and build railroads & discover flight and continue expanding and slowly discover rocket science and launch satelites & moon missions, then missions to other worlds (and maybe colonize you solar system?) then discover hyperspace or warp or something (maybe different races discover different types of drives?) and become spacefaring. In this method, the same code could be able to be reused across the different stages. It would also make the game feel more continuous and real, with changes coming slowly, depending on the player's focus. anyway, that's more than enough for one post. rocket54321 fullstop  ? |
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Post by rocket54321 on May 3, 2016 15:51:37 GMT
Also, I only have acces to a mac at the moment. I'll be getting a PC soon however. Even so, I'm more than willing to invest in this project even if I can't play the game.
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Post by Atrox on May 3, 2016 15:58:37 GMT
rocket54321 Please try not to double post There's a handy little edit button you can use to add to your post
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Post by Aquos on May 3, 2016 16:06:28 GMT
But as for my origonal idea being impractical, what if the "stages" were more like seamless(ish) changes in GUI content/creature abilities, with the biggest changes being when your creature becomes sentient? In other words, your microbe starts growing into a mukticelular organism that adapts to life on land and slowly becomes sentient. Then you would begin to take control of a group of creatures which would begin to build a tribe which would expand into a civilization whose tech would slowly become more advanced and would begin industrialize and build railroads & discover flight and continue expanding and slowly discover rocket science and launch satelites & moon missions, then missions to other worlds (and maybe colonize you solar system?) then discover hyperspace or warp or something (maybe different races discover different types of drives?) and become spacefaring. In this method, the same code could be able to be reused across the different stages. It would also make the game feel more continuous and real, with changes coming slowly, depending on the player's focus. i think that's the plan already anyways .... |
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Post by Atrox on May 3, 2016 16:12:41 GMT
Yeah that's been the plan since the very beginning.
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Post by tjwhale on May 3, 2016 17:21:57 GMT
Ok so I just wrote this, not sure why, not sure if it's helpful. I was going to delete it but thought I might as well post it. It's quite long.
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13 is quite young but think of it this way. If you practice programming each day for the next 5 years you'll be a wicked good programmer and you'll only be 18, which is a very powerful combination.
What should you program? Here's some cool advice from Bruce Lee, "A goal is not always meant to be reached, it often serves simply as something to aim at." So set yourself a cool goal and try and work towards it. That's kind of what Thrive is. It's not some sensible, achievable thing. It's just a crazy far away mountain to see if we can get to. Once you have that all you need is persistence and basic intelligence.
This is kind of a big topic but what is basic intelligence? It means trying something and then thinking about what to try next. So say you want to cross a river, maybe you build a raft and the raft sinks. A stupid person will just try and build the raft the same way again and again and never get across and give up. A person with basic intelligence will try the raft a little differently each time, or maybe give up on a raft and try a bridge or try to build a glider and fly across. They won't give up and eventually they will make it across.
This method works in everything. If you have basic intelligence every task will have one of three outcomes, you succeed, you give up or you die. And if you have persistence then you either succeed or die. Only running out of time can stop you.
I'd say this to everyone reading this. If you want to be a problem solver start now and solve problems just for the fun of doing it. Pick a goal just to have something to aim at. Have basic intelligence and persistence and you will surprise yourself with what you can do. Be your own teacher, get yourself to work when you have energy to do so and let yourself rest when you need rest. Look after yourself.
Don't look at people who are much more able or more advanced than you and get discouraged, you are really lucky to have great teachers to learn from. The world would be poorer without those people in it. Don't look at people who are much weaker or are far behind you and feel lonely, it's great to have people to teach, you can learn so much through teaching. The world would be poorer without those people in it.
Ultimately in almost all of life someone has been where you are before and can tell you a good way of handling the situation. If a right triangle has side lengths 3,4 and x what is x? Well someone has been here before and solved this problem. But maybe you should solve it again from scratch, because one day you may end up in a place where no one has been before and no one knows how to solve the problem. Do the Navier-Stokes equations in 3D have a unique solution? No one on the planet knows. No one on the planet knows how to find out. That's amazing. And what can help you with that?
Persistence and Basic Intelligence.
Someone will solve the Navier-Stokes problem, there is definitely an answer to it. And they will solve it with these two simple things, like people have solved every problem.
The world can be very entertaining and diverting and it can be easy to think the best thing is to do what you are told. In the end no one else can help you. You need to train yourself to become the person you want to be. You need to be your own boss and learn to be self-reliant.
And one day, if you follow this method, you will reach some lofty goal which you set for yourself many years before and it will be a sad day. Like the day Thrive is finally finished. Because the journey is over and all the wonderful sights and sounds and experiences are done. The mystery is revealed and what is seen cannot be unseen. So stop and smell the flowers as you go. Persistence combined with Basic Intelligence is a road of gifts. Each day there is some little new thing which the universe will grant you, enjoy each one in it's right place and don't rush. The last day of your life will not be the best, I promise you that.
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Post by Atrox on May 3, 2016 18:03:36 GMT
If you have basic intelligence every task will have one of three outcomes, you succeed, you give up or you die Seriously though, that was really cool and inspiring tjwhale! |
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Post by rocket54321 on May 3, 2016 22:56:46 GMT
Ok so I just wrote this, not sure why, not sure if it's helpful. I was going to delete it but thought I might as well post it. It's quite long. -- 13 is quite young but think of it this way. If you practice programming each day for the next 5 years you'll be a wicked good programmer and you'll only be 18, which is a very powerful combination. What should you program? Here's some cool advice from Bruce Lee, "A goal is not always meant to be reached, it often serves simply as something to aim at." So set yourself a cool goal and try and work towards it. That's kind of what Thrive is. It's not some sensible, achievable thing. It's just a crazy far away mountain to see if we can get to. Once you have that all you need is persistence and basic intelligence. This is kind of a big topic but what is basic intelligence? It means trying something and then thinking about what to try next. So say you want to cross a river, maybe you build a raft and the raft sinks. A stupid person will just try and build the raft the same way again and again and never get across and give up. A person with basic intelligence will try the raft a little differently each time, or maybe give up on a raft and try a bridge or try to build a glider and fly across. They won't give up and eventually they will make it across. This method works in everything. If you have basic intelligence every task will have one of three outcomes, you succeed, you give up or you die. And if you have persistence then you either succeed or die. Only running out of time can stop you. I'd say this to everyone reading this. If you want to be a problem solver start now and solve problems just for the fun of doing it. Pick a goal just to have something to aim at. Have basic intelligence and persistence and you will surprise yourself with what you can do. Be your own teacher, get yourself to work when you have energy to do so and let yourself rest when you need rest. Look after yourself. Don't look at people who are much more able or more advanced than you and get discouraged, you are really lucky to have great teachers to learn from. The world would be poorer without those people in it. Don't look at people who are much weaker or are far behind you and feel lonely, it's great to have people to teach, you can learn so much through teaching. The world would be poorer without those people in it. Ultimately in almost all of life someone has been where you are before and can tell you a good way of handling the situation. If a right triangle has side lengths 3,4 and x what is x? Well someone has been here before and solved this problem. But maybe you should solve it again from scratch, because one day you may end up in a place where no one has been before and no one knows how to solve the problem. Do the Navier-Stokes equations in 3D have a unique solution? No one on the planet knows. No one on the planet knows how to find out. That's amazing. And what can help you with that? Persistence and Basic Intelligence. Someone will solve the Navier-Stokes problem, there is definitely an answer to it. And they will solve it with these two simple things, like people have solved every problem. The world can be very entertaining and diverting and it can be easy to think the best thing is to do what you are told. In the end no one else can help you. You need to train yourself to become the person you want to be. You need to be your own boss and learn to be self-reliant. And one day, if you follow this method, you will reach some lofty goal which you set for yourself many years before and it will be a sad day. Like the day Thrive is finally finished. Because the journey is over and all the wonderful sights and sounds and experiences are done. The mystery is revealed and what is seen cannot be unseen. So stop and smell the flowers as you go. Persistence combined with Basic Intelligence is a road of gifts. Each day there is some little new thing which the universe will grant you, enjoy each one in it's right place and don't rush. The last day of your life will not be the best, I promise you that. Wow. I was not expecting something like this. Thanks. A few words though. My grades can attest that I do not think the best thing to do is the stuff I'm told. I'm also using my free time at school to build a adding machene instead of studying. The day thrive is finished will a. never come because if someone abandons this project calling it "finished" someone else will make it better, and b. will be the day one of the best video games in the universe and both a day of celebration a day of reconing for EA. As I've said, I'm already learning to code in Java, but I might switch to C just to work on thrive. Also, would you have reacted that way if I hadn't revealed my age? I feel like I can get a knowledge of C good enough to work on Thrive in a few moths if I apply myself. I think that I'll see how far I can gat over the summer and then try signing up to work on the game. Maybe this is (extreme) optimism, but hey, why not? Plus, I'm doing biochem next year, so I might be of use in other ways. Cheers! rocket54321? |
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Post by alexthe666 on May 3, 2016 23:14:57 GMT
If you have basic intelligence every task will have one of three outcomes, you succeed, you give up or you die Seriously though, that was really cool and inspiring tjwhale ! Many programmers that I know started programming around 13; but I know a very good Java programmer who is only 12. It's awesome. |
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Post by tjwhale on May 4, 2016 8:18:46 GMT
Also, would you have reacted that way if I hadn't revealed my age? The truth is really that age doesn't matter. We are always working on ourselves and becoming the next person we are going to be. It's always worth thinking clearly and learning to be more skillful. I am in quite a transition at the moment so I think about this stuff a lot. |
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Post by rocket54321 on May 5, 2016 14:44:27 GMT
Incedentaly, what timescale are we looking at for the next stages?
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Post by atlon on Sept 6, 2016 12:36:00 GMT
I guess microbe will take a few years but I dont know how the team will handle 3D-models.
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Post by Moopli on Sept 6, 2016 19:10:33 GMT
I guess microbe will take a few years but I dont know how the team will handle 3D-models. We already do. Engine is 3D, we use 3D models, we even procedurally generate 3D microbe membranes. |
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Post by GRODOG on Sept 6, 2016 19:47:08 GMT
Hey. Welcome to the forum! If you want development to go faster or in a different direction the thing to do is to learn to program and come and help make it. We are always looking for more programmers to help out! Also programming is a really cool skill which will be of great value to you in your life. However if you don't want to do that then I'm afraid you just have to wait like everyone else. ima learn programming/ 3D modeling/ and Game Development actually!! But i have to wait like 2-4 years til i go to unibersity and how ever long it takes to get diplomas on programming and designing... Soon.... |
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Post by tjwhale on Sept 6, 2016 22:00:22 GMT
Hey. Welcome to the forum! If you want development to go faster or in a different direction the thing to do is to learn to program and come and help make it. We are always looking for more programmers to help out! Also programming is a really cool skill which will be of great value to you in your life. However if you don't want to do that then I'm afraid you just have to wait like everyone else. ima learn programming/ 3D modeling/ and Game Development actually!! But i have to wait like 2-4 years til i go to unibersity and how ever long it takes to get diplomas on programming and designing... Soon.... You don't need a university to teach you programming or any of those skills. You can learn on your own if you are interested. |
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