The_Wayward_Admiral
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Sept 30, 2015 21:12:45 GMT
Post by The_Wayward_Admiral on Sept 30, 2015 21:12:45 GMT
I found a way to hybridize LimeyHoney's real world wheel design with Atrox's circulatory power.
Basically, the wheel is loosely connected to an axle, just as in LimeyHoney's setup. This axle though is connected to two bone turbines that spin freely in an open space. This open space gets filled with blood, but the blood enters with extreme pressure. This creates a directional stream around the turbines, rotating them and by extension the wheel. Then as Atrox has said, the organism has a blood powered wheel that it can control by restricting or increasing bloodflow.
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Sept 30, 2015 22:05:11 GMT
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Post by Atrox on Sept 30, 2015 22:05:11 GMT
Wow this is really good! Look at us comin' up wth fictional organic wheel mechanisms and Belgium!
Idea: In order to further protect the wheel, add a layer of keratinized cells over the wheel!
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Sept 30, 2015 22:56:26 GMT
Post by SharkLordSatan on Sept 30, 2015 22:56:26 GMT
I honestly was actually kind of thinking more of a ball-socket based system instead of an axle and such for the wheel. Like, the wheel is connected to whatever bone(s) is/are supporting it with sockets or something similar to that. Then again it probably wouldn't work because the wheel could pop off somehow because, you know, sockets. (unless they were 'designed' to prevent this)
EDIT: Oops, didn't realize I was on the 3rd page and not on the 1st when I posted this..
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The_Wayward_Admiral
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The_Real_Slim_Shady
Atrox drew this awesome image of the Keldori!
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Sept 30, 2015 23:07:42 GMT
Post by The_Wayward_Admiral on Sept 30, 2015 23:07:42 GMT
Would the socketed wheel be powered by blood entering from one side, propelling it forward, then being captured on the other? Or were you thinking gaseous propulsion or something else entirely? Also if the wheel were positioned in between two stalks (i.e. legs), I would think that they could be kept sufficiently tight by a large ligament or some such to prevent a socket from popping.
Edit: My original wording was abysmal, so I edited for clarity.
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Oct 1, 2015 17:43:33 GMT
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Post by gamerark15 on Oct 1, 2015 17:43:33 GMT
I was curious, if a organism with wheels, reached industrial, would it make vehicles or modify its own body instead of designing nee machines
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Oct 1, 2015 18:23:30 GMT
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Post by Atrox on Oct 1, 2015 18:23:30 GMT
It would definitely be easier and safer to just create vehicles, especially in the earlier stages. Later on down the line I imagine there would be ways to modify their body (such as removing the organic wheel and replacing it with an artificial one powered by electricity) safely. Even later down the line, they may not even need an artificial wheel. If they were to unlock the secret of genetics, they could maximize the efficiency of their natural wheels. Though, I do wonder what kind of vehicles such a creature would have.
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The_Wayward_Admiral
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The_Real_Slim_Shady
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Oct 1, 2015 19:00:52 GMT
Post by The_Wayward_Admiral on Oct 1, 2015 19:00:52 GMT
They would have no need of short range wheeled transportation (i.e. bikes, scooters, etc.), I can't imagine they would have things like surfboards (not particularly easy for a wheeled monopedal creature to balance on), they could have cars whose velocity is determined by how fast the driver is spinning his/her wheel (instead of a gas pedal), and probably any number of awesome things like that (they could for example land a hang glider with a literal rolling stop).
Edit: That being said, there is probably an equivalent to a bike, as well as an equivalent to a balance intensive item such as a surf board. What might those be, do you think?
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Oct 1, 2015 19:18:33 GMT
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Post by Atrox on Oct 1, 2015 19:18:33 GMT
So are we using the Cyclorotans as an example species because I've been trying to be broad about wheeled organisms in general
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The_Wayward_Admiral
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The_Real_Slim_Shady
Atrox drew this awesome image of the Keldori!
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Oct 1, 2015 19:39:53 GMT
Post by The_Wayward_Admiral on Oct 1, 2015 19:39:53 GMT
I have trouble picturing others so I have been
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The_Wayward_Admiral
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The_Real_Slim_Shady
Atrox drew this awesome image of the Keldori!
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Oct 1, 2015 19:50:28 GMT
Post by The_Wayward_Admiral on Oct 1, 2015 19:50:28 GMT
I'd wager that at least the biological aspects are generally applicable. The double wheeled fish (from earlier in the discussion) would have a similar setup to the one I drew above just two of them. A rotary bird could have one sticking out on top, an animal in need of speed could have four wheels (one on each foot), or there could be an animal like the ones oliveriver posted on page two that operates on the same design we've been throwing back and forth. But yeah, a non-cyclorotan wheeled intelligent being would probably have a different vehicle layout than the one I described above. I feel shame for my narrowmindedness! (note: that is humor, I do not actually feel shame. I regret nothing. Not ever...)
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Oct 1, 2015 20:20:51 GMT
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Post by Atrox on Oct 1, 2015 20:20:51 GMT
The double wheeled fish are just early cyclorotans remember that vuv
As for "bikes" and "boards": Maybe it'd be like a small treadmill?
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The_Wayward_Admiral
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Oct 2, 2015 2:13:48 GMT
Post by The_Wayward_Admiral on Oct 2, 2015 2:13:48 GMT
Sorry, I'm not familiar with the "vuv" acronym. And also I like the treadmill idea. Additionally I never expressed my inner glee at the idea of chainsaw teeth! About this reply of mine: Such conjunctions. Much disjointed. Wow.
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Oct 2, 2015 2:18:37 GMT
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Post by Atrox on Oct 2, 2015 2:18:37 GMT
oh! "vuv" is just a face that I use a lot
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veyraa
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Mar 14, 2016 10:21:10 GMT
Post by veyraa on Mar 14, 2016 10:21:10 GMT
I was hesitant to post here (worried I might reach a post limit ;p) however, after giving it some thought, I see no reason for this _not_ to be a plausible outcome. My reasoning is a central water wheel that gave rise to a central ball. Locomotion would differ from what is described above, in that small flagellum would create the initial thrusts forward for the originator species, whilst small limbs would do the same for the later derivatiives. Or, shades, muscles lining the ball would provide slow yet steady movement as it contracts around the ball. Similar to a snake. This would be beneficial for larger creatures, especially cold blooded ones, would be allowed to coast along without worry of extraneous extremities. I will try to sketch out a rough in the morrow.
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Mar 14, 2016 10:27:32 GMT
Post by Atrox on Mar 14, 2016 10:27:32 GMT
I was hesitant to post here (worried I might reach a post limit ;p) however, after giving it some thought, I see no reason for this _not_ to be a plausible outcome. My reasoning is a central water wheel that gave rise to a central ball. Locomotion would differ from what is described above, in that small flagellum would create the initial thrusts forward for the originator species, whilst small limbs would do the same for the later derivatiives. Or, shades, muscles lining the ball would provide slow yet steady movement as it contracts around the ball. Similar to a snake. This would be beneficial for larger creatures, especially cold blooded ones, would be allowed to coast along without worry of extraneous extremities. I will try to sketch out a rough in the morrow. Could you explain what you mean a bit more clearly perhaps? :0
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veyraa
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Mar 14, 2016 18:31:51 GMT
Post by veyraa on Mar 14, 2016 18:31:51 GMT
I was hesitant to post here (worried I might reach a post limit ;p) however, after giving it some thought, I see no reason for this _not_ to be a plausible outcome. My reasoning is a central water wheel that gave rise to a central ball. Locomotion would differ from what is described above, in that small flagellum would create the initial thrusts forward for the originator species, whilst small limbs would do the same for the later derivatiives. Or, shades, muscles lining the ball would provide slow yet steady movement as it contracts around the ball. Similar to a snake. This would be beneficial for larger creatures, especially cold blooded ones, would be allowed to coast along without worry of extraneous extremities. I will try to sketch out a rough in the morrow. Could you explain what you mean a bit more clearly perhaps? :0 I think I will have to sketch it, because right now I think I will just fall into a very verbose rant which will not explain a thing xD
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Mar 14, 2016 18:50:54 GMT
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Post by Atrox on Mar 14, 2016 18:50:54 GMT
Could you explain what you mean a bit more clearly perhaps? :0 I think I will have to sketch it, because right now I think I will just fall into a very verbose rant which will not explain a thing xD Fair enough. Looking forward to it!
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veyraa
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Mar 14, 2016 19:27:51 GMT
Post by veyraa on Mar 14, 2016 19:27:51 GMT
I don't have any great lights, but I hope this comes out well enough. Seems like it is flipped *sigh*. Basically, the muscle lining works like a snake, pulling the ball with it and then stopping, allowing the ball to rest, and retracting. This starts up again directly after. I think my second illustration of it is a tad better, as it gives the ball more room to attach to the body. It would most likely be a large and toughened stomach. As for the fish, it would be like a ferris wheel in the middle.
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Mar 14, 2016 23:46:35 GMT
Post by Atrox on Mar 14, 2016 23:46:35 GMT
I don't have any great lights, but I hope this comes out well enough. Seems like it is flipped *sigh*. Basically, the muscle lining works like a snake, pulling the ball with it and then stopping, allowing the ball to rest, and retracting. This starts up again directly after. I think my second illustration of it is a tad better, as it gives the ball more room to attach to the body. It would most likely be a large and toughened stomach. As for the fish, it would be like a ferris wheel in the middle. So, is the ball in the first organism actually tethered to the rest of the body? Or can the main body be removed from the ball. From what I understand you have a spherical object underneath the main body that is rotated using undulating muscles below the organism? However you also stated that the ball is a large and toughened stomach? I like it, but the only issue I see with that is if the ball is indeed a large and toughened stomach, wouldn't it still be connected to the main body? How would it rotate freely? It seems as though after spinning enough, it'll twist up the digestive tract after a while, possibly snapping it. And the second smaller organism is a fish with a large paddle wheel in the center of it yes?
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veyraa
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Mar 15, 2016 0:12:03 GMT
Post by veyraa on Mar 15, 2016 0:12:03 GMT
I don't have any great lights, but I hope this comes out well enough. Seems like it is flipped *sigh*. Basically, the muscle lining works like a snake, pulling the ball with it and then stopping, allowing the ball to rest, and retracting. This starts up again directly after. I think my second illustration of it is a tad better, as it gives the ball more room to attach to the body. It would most likely be a large and toughened stomach. As for the fish, it would be like a ferris wheel in the middle. So, is the ball in the first organism actually tethered to the rest of the body? Or can the main body be removed from the ball. From what I understand you have a spherical object underneath the main body that is rotated using undulating muscles below the organism? However you also stated that the ball is a large and toughened stomach? I like it, but the only issue I see with that is if the ball is indeed a large and toughened stomach, wouldn't it still be connected to the main body? How would it rotate freely? It seems as though after spinning enough, it'll twist up the digestive tract after a while, possibly snapping it. And the second smaller organism is a fish with a large paddle wheel in the center of it yes? (Power has been out for the past 4 hours) by "toughened stomach" I meant that it would be a large bladder object. In my second drawing it would have a hole running through it for a muscle or a bone axle. The small one is indeed a fish like organism that has a central paddle wheel.
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