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Post by soundwave on Dec 7, 2016 19:41:15 GMT
That would be fun if you could get invaded, how hard would this be to implement in the game?
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Post by StealthStyleL on Dec 7, 2016 20:26:34 GMT
As far as current plans go, it will be possible for you to get invaded by extraterrestrials, just like a foreign country could declare war on you. As for how difficult t would be, I'd wait for a programmer to respond.
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Post by soundwave on Dec 7, 2016 21:32:28 GMT
As far as current plans go, it will be possible for you to get invaded by extraterrestrials, just like a foreign country could declare war on you. As for how difficult t would be, I'd wait for a programmer to respond. kk ty Stealth |
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Post by The_Wayward_Admiral on Dec 7, 2016 21:47:06 GMT
Well, difficulty depends on how extensive the system is.
It would be (relatively simple) to add another disaster to the random list. The code would have one extra case statement, probably calling a subfunction or a GOTO. In this case, alien invasions would occur like a tornado or earthquake would, and probably call a pre-determined alien race with pre-determined technology. The advantage is easy computation and easy coding, but alien invasions would be somewhat cut and paste from game to game.
To improve the variety, I can think of any number of other ways to implement the system. Whether it be auto-evo aliens that can drop in once they achieve sentience, or as massive as simulating the galaxy and having invaders come down when they make it to your neck of the woods. These of course are more interesting from a player's perspective, but would definitely cause performance issues and add code length.
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Post by RoboTrannic on Dec 7, 2016 22:30:28 GMT
theres many variables surrounding the topic
when will they start invading
what are the reasons they invaded
how freinguintly will they invade
etc
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Post by mitobox on Dec 8, 2016 3:06:15 GMT
Our old music producer (Doggit) made this theme. Based on the title, alien invasions set before the Space Stage were certainly considered.
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Post by Omicron on Dec 8, 2016 16:13:49 GMT
If I remember correctly, you'll also be able to turn disasters like these on or off when creating the world (on a different note, will you be able to go all X-COMmy and use their technology to boost your own?)
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Post by serialkiller🌴 on Dec 8, 2016 16:31:57 GMT
If I remember correctly, you'll also be able to turn disasters like these on or off when creating the world (on a different note, will you be able to go all X-COMmy and use their technology to boost your own?) If I remember right then aliens can boost your technology so why not stealing it ?. (That would be the only way underwater civilisations could be possible - or wait , why don't they use hydrothermal vents to melt the metal ? That's a great new idea !) |
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Post by Aquos on Dec 8, 2016 16:40:22 GMT
If I remember correctly, you'll also be able to turn disasters like these on or off when creating the world (on a different note, will you be able to go all X-COMmy and use their technology to boost your own?) If I remember right then aliens can boost your technology so why not stealing it ?. (That would be the only way underwater civilisations could be possible - or wait , why don't they use hydrothermal vents to melt the metal ? That's a great new idea !) Banned for talking about the U idea. This is considered heresy by the Thrive inquisition. |
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Post by tjwhale on Dec 10, 2016 0:21:30 GMT
IMO an interesting idea would be to simulate the galactic politics from the formation of the galaxy. So if you evolve early you get to be one of the first space faring races and carve things up.
However if you evolve late you have to just deal with what is there. Maybe there is an evil empire that has taken over 90% of the galaxy and you are in it's territory and they just come and enslave you. Maybe there's a federation you can join.
Maybe there are the ruins of thousands of dead civilisations littering the galaxy and you are evolving as the last stars are dim.
That would add a lot of replayability to the space stage. It would be controllable (just choose to evolve early if you want the classic 4x experience) and if you choose to evolve late there'd be a whole history of the galaxy to explore.
Anyway yeah cool systems are easy to imagine and hard to implement! What I've just said is several years work so don't hold your breath.
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Post by Atrox on Dec 10, 2016 2:01:30 GMT
IMO an interesting idea would be to simulate the galactic politics from the formation of the galaxy. So if you evolve early you get to be one of the first space faring races and carve things up. However if you evolve late you have to just deal with what is there. Maybe there is an evil empire that has taken over 90% of the galaxy and you are in it's territory and they just come and enslave you. Maybe there's a federation you can join. Maybe there are the ruins of thousands of dead civilisations littering the galaxy and you are evolving as the last stars are dim. That would add a lot of replayability to the space stage. It would be controllable (just choose to evolve early if you want the classic 4x experience) and if you choose to evolve late there'd be a whole history of the galaxy to explore. Anyway yeah cool systems are easy to imagine and hard to implement! What I've just said is several years work so don't hold your breath. Adding to this, I think it'd be neat if there was a "time limit" of sorts on your planet based around when the home star is estimated to die :0 |
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Post by Omicron on Dec 10, 2016 8:04:16 GMT
IMO an interesting idea would be to simulate the galactic politics from the formation of the galaxy. So if you evolve early you get to be one of the first space faring races and carve things up. However if you evolve late you have to just deal with what is there. Maybe there is an evil empire that has taken over 90% of the galaxy and you are in it's territory and they just come and enslave you. Maybe there's a federation you can join. Maybe there are the ruins of thousands of dead civilisations littering the galaxy and you are evolving as the last stars are dim. That would add a lot of replayability to the space stage. It would be controllable (just choose to evolve early if you want the classic 4x experience) and if you choose to evolve late there'd be a whole history of the galaxy to explore. Anyway yeah cool systems are easy to imagine and hard to implement! What I've just said is several years work so don't hold your breath. Adding to this, I think it'd be neat if there was a "time limit" of sorts on your planet based around when the home star is estimated to die :0 If I remember correctly, Lanky Giraffe had already made a comment about this idea on this thread, were he thought it would be a fun idea to be able to toggle it on or off, just like those other "game-ending disasters", as a kind of speed-run |
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Post by Lanky Giraffe on Dec 10, 2016 19:57:48 GMT
IMO an interesting idea would be to simulate the galactic politics from the formation of the galaxy. So if you evolve early you get to be one of the first space faring races and carve things up. However if you evolve late you have to just deal with what is there. Maybe there is an evil empire that has taken over 90% of the galaxy and you are in it's territory and they just come and enslave you. Maybe there's a federation you can join. Maybe there are the ruins of thousands of dead civilisations littering the galaxy and you are evolving as the last stars are dim. That would add a lot of replayability to the space stage. It would be controllable (just choose to evolve early if you want the classic 4x experience) and if you choose to evolve late there'd be a whole history of the galaxy to explore. Anyway yeah cool systems are easy to imagine and hard to implement! What I've just said is several years work so don't hold your breath. Slightly off-topic, but there is evidence Humans are very early in terms of evolving Sentience. 1) That makes our species the generic mystical all-powerful species you see in most Sci-Fi related things = Galaxy is Belgiumed 2) Maybe if mods or custom scenarios are a thing in the final game, there could be a scenario about this: The Aftermath of Humans Belgiuming up the Galaxy. |
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Post by serialkiller🌴 on Dec 10, 2016 20:38:01 GMT
So we're basically the grox ?
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Post by The_Wayward_Admiral on Dec 10, 2016 20:52:03 GMT
Timelords in training actually.
But that is an interesting point. I think if the whole galaxy is simulated from society (which is really cool and I hope we can do it), it would be good to make sentience rare and unlikely to arise early.
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Post by Lanky Giraffe on Dec 10, 2016 21:34:22 GMT
So we're basically the grox ? Plot twist, the Grox in Spore are modified/evolved humans that conquered the galaxy. (Solves the Earth being abandoned mystery? OMG meend blooon) |
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Post by tammio on Dec 12, 2016 23:54:07 GMT
Lanky Giraffe um can you provide a link to your evidence that we are early to develope sentinence? I'm not asking for me... it's for... a friend, ya' know. Asking because I read a paper some time ago (I think I linked it in the TIL thread if not tell me I might be able to locate it again with some digging); anyway I read that paper from Nasa -I think-, were they just asume us humans to be medicore in everything, because propabiliteis you know, and thus they assume that we are somewhere in the middle field for developing sapience, and somewhere in the middle field of technology and so forth. From this they conclude (aka gues more or less arbitrarily but with lots of fancy math) that we can expect first contact some time in the next few millenia. Like in 3k years or so Edit: OK turns out I didn't link it in the TIL blog, I'll do so at some point but if you want the article (its very simplistic; the paper's linked in the botom tho, and its 17 pages but defiinetely worth a skim) www.mademan.com/its-gonna-be-another-1500-years-until-we-meet-aliens/ oh and before you read it, gues what the first comunication is any alien civ will recieve from us? (Hint: no hints)
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Post by The_Wayward_Admiral on Dec 13, 2016 1:56:53 GMT
Well if Contact is to be believed, the first broadcast to penetrate the atmosphere was Hitler opening the Berlin Olympics. However this signal was weak and is likely to be too low in intensity to be picked up all that far away.
For the purpose of me staying on-topic, I will also say that it'd be a cool mechanic to add alien's perceptions of your civilzation to their motives and mechanisms of invasion. Perhaps they've come to save you from yourself? Come to watch your sporting events? Want your precious bodily fluids?
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Post by GRODOG on Jan 3, 2017 9:11:44 GMT
Hey but wait... dont stars reform from nebulae? (This also adds for witnessing the birth of a star[off topic]) so even if mosr stars are dim now there are new ones being born fromthe leftover nebulae... so the galaxt is just reborn... it makes me sad to see all the progress just end... but i do like the idea of the evolving early and evolving late thing!! Like trying to find out who were the first to reach space or u being the very forst and witnessing other species evolve to space too... maybe even welcome them or enslave them... or maybe u evolved way too early and everyone else is animals still or too late and everyone is dead... idk... im starting to get off topic so ima just stop here...
But an invasion can be possible and maybe only possible when the system decides... ur too late someone else is in space...
idk... maybe there will be an option for the end of the galaxy to happen or not?
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Post by StealthStyleL on Jan 3, 2017 10:48:29 GMT
I think it would have a random chance of occurring, like a natural disaster, because as far as I am aware the galaxy will not be simulated until you explore it.
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