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Post by mx on Aug 19, 2016 11:14:08 GMT
I know its back tracking a bit but will all civs be stationary settlements or could there perhaps be roaming cultures... I know there are words for roaming and non roaming civilizations but its late and I cant think of them.
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Post by mitobox on Aug 19, 2016 11:26:50 GMT
I know its back tracking a bit but will all civs be stationary settlements or could there perhaps be roaming cultures... I know there are words for roaming and non roaming civilizations but its late and I cant think of them. Nomadic vs. sedentary? |
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Post by mx on Aug 19, 2016 13:50:13 GMT
I know its back tracking a bit but will all civs be stationary settlements or could there perhaps be roaming cultures... I know there are words for roaming and non roaming civilizations but its late and I cant think of them. Nomadic vs. sedentary? That's the one |
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Post by The_Wayward_Admiral on Aug 19, 2016 15:28:43 GMT
The Awakening Stage as I understand it definitely sounds like it can support nomadic peoples.
The one thing though is that they run into a wall with more advanced technologies. Without a sedentary lifestyle, agriculture is prohibitively difficult to sustain (barring very short cycle plants) and food comes from hunting and herding. While these can be powerful sources of sustenance, they require enormous devotion of energy from just about every member of the civilization, leaving few people available to specialize and develop technologies and make discoveries.
So while I'm certain nomadic societies could develop, I'm not sure how advanced they'd be.
That being said, once in space stage, I think it'd be cool to have things like Ithorian herdships or the like. These would be nomadic civilizations made possible by technology that have either made their planet into a traveling ship or made a traveling ship into their planet.
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Post by alohameanshello on Aug 19, 2016 22:36:11 GMT
The change is made when you form your first "society center" which has previously been thought to when you research a certain level of "cooperation" tech. But that's all theoretical so far "Society Center" is really awkward to say. Could we call them "settlements" instead? |
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Post by alohameanshello on Aug 19, 2016 22:45:24 GMT
The Awakening Stage as I understand it definitely sounds like it can support nomadic peoples. The one thing though is that they run into a wall with more advanced technologies. Without a sedentary lifestyle, agriculture is prohibitively difficult to sustain (barring very short cycle plants) and food comes from hunting and herding. While these can be powerful sources of sustenance, they require enormous devotion of energy from just about every member of the civilization, leaving few people available to specialize and develop technologies and make discoveries. So while I'm certain nomadic societies could develop, I'm not sure how advanced they'd be. That being said, once in space stage, I think it'd be cool to have things like Ithorian herdships or the like. These would be nomadic civilizations made possible by technology that have either made their planet into a traveling ship or made a traveling ship into their planet. Expanding on the Ithorian Herdship concept I love planets to become commodities in the space stage. You know how in Dead Space the Ishimura destroys planets to harvest their resources? Your space empire would be like a swarm of locusts, reaping the cosmos of its planets and stars. First planets, then stars, then galaxies, and finally the universe. |
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Post by timetraveler22 on Aug 19, 2016 23:00:51 GMT
You wouldn't tame a carnivore for food. It's a waste. Naturally, carnivores have the least energy in it's meat. And takes a lot of care to keep alive. Carnivores, however, would be pets, guards, riding animals, and hunters.
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Post by Skyguy98 on Aug 20, 2016 0:06:24 GMT
You wouldn't tame a carnivore for food. It's a waste. Naturally, carnivores have the least energy in it's meat. And takes a lot of care to keep alive. Carnivores, however, would be pets, guards, riding animals, and hunters. like dogs and such, though I can't think of any carnivores humans keep as mounts |
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Post by Skyguy98 on Aug 20, 2016 0:08:10 GMT
The change is made when you form your first "society center" which has previously been thought to when you research a certain level of "cooperation" tech. But that's all theoretical so far "Society Center" is really awkward to say. Could we call them "settlements" instead? "Society center" was just what they are called on the original dev forums, in order to distinguish it from a "military center" which become available later. I personally don't care what they are called |
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Post by timetraveler22 on Aug 20, 2016 0:15:35 GMT
You wouldn't tame a carnivore for food. It's a waste. Naturally, carnivores have the least energy in it's meat. And takes a lot of care to keep alive. Carnivores, however, would be pets, guards, riding animals, and hunters. like dogs and such, though I can't think of any carnivores humans keep as mounts     |
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Post by Skyguy98 on Aug 20, 2016 0:17:20 GMT
And I stand corrected
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Post by tjwhale on Aug 20, 2016 13:47:09 GMT
I rode a dog once. I was about 5 years old and it was a great dane at my great uncles house. I wasn't old enough to realise how awesome the experience was. There's probably a good childrens book in there somewhere.
I'm not sure I'd want to own a dog which was big enough for me to ride now. I think really it would be owning me.
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Post by Moopli on Aug 20, 2016 16:29:03 GMT
Clifford! "Society Center" is really awkward to say. Could we call them "settlements" instead? Technically, in terms of the simulation, a Society Center would consist of multiple settlements, merging neighbouring, similar settlements into one SC, so as to reduce computation costs. But you can call them settlements or whatever you like, really. |
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Post by ATP Kraken on Sept 10, 2016 12:57:51 GMT
The Awakening Stage as I understand it definitely sounds like it can support nomadic peoples. The one thing though is that they run into a wall with more advanced technologies. Without a sedentary lifestyle, agriculture is prohibitively difficult to sustain (barring very short cycle plants) and food comes from hunting and herding. While these can be powerful sources of sustenance, they require enormous devotion of energy from just about every member of the civilization, leaving few people available to specialize and develop technologies and make discoveries. So while I'm certain nomadic societies could develop, I'm not sure how advanced they'd be. That being said, once in space stage, I think it'd be cool to have things like Ithorian herdships or the like. These would be nomadic civilizations made possible by technology that have either made their planet into a traveling ship or made a traveling ship into their planet. I think what could happen for advanced nomads is work like the Air Nomads from ATLA. They have four temples around the world where they keep their flying buffalo and probably some agriculture. There they can train their skills and raise their young. Since they have some form of flight, they can just hop between temples. |
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Post by tammio on Sept 13, 2016 21:59:47 GMT
So you mean half-nomads? Like Herdsmen in many countries? Nomadic during summer/wet season but stationary at fixed locations (oasis, settlements, valleys, hometowns) during some of the year like winter?
As far as I see, the biggest problem with Nomadism is this: Agriculture can provide more food per square kilometer than nomadic lifestyles can. (provided agriculture is possible) So generally speaking a settled population can feed more people off the same area than nomads hunter/gatherers or herdsmen can. More people=more people can specialise= more tech advancement this is one of the reasons why nomadic people tend to be "backward" (historicaly speaking) and the smaller populations of nomadic people are often displaced by faster growing settled populations.
However if on a planet agriculture was never developed (lets say because there are no domesticable plants, or due to some quirk of fate, or because reasons) then half nomadic societies might develop where there is a specialist settled population dependant on their nomadic peers who provide them with food in return for goods and services the specialists can provide (as for example advanced metalurgy, science and healthcare?)
Edit 3: The funy thing is, I believe expecially High-Tech societies like ours favor Nomadism. Why? Well protable 3D printers favor decentralisation of production of just about anything, and our tech is becoming more and more portable with every passing year. I mean is there really a reason why people still use tabletop PCs instead of Laptops? Ok the preformance to money spent ratio is better but that is only really an issue if you're gaming or doing high-end sience stuff
The only problem is really providing electricity while on the move, but theoretically we could solve that with small-scale nuclear reactors allready.
So is anyone willing to colonise the Antarctic as a high-tech internet-loving nomad people, riding Geneticaly Modified Super-Horses?
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